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Seattle Health Cooperative May Offer National Model

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Written by: Super User
Category: Blog
Published: 03 April 2023
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The success of the Seattle-based medical provider, Group Health, has put new attention on whether a cooperative health plan can work on a national level. Betty Ann Bowser reports.
'Group Health'

Robert Wood Johnson


JIM LEHRER: And next tonight, we continue our coverage of the health care reform debate. NewsHour correspondent Betty Ann Bowser has a Health Unit report on a Seattle medical co-op that's been in the national headlines lately. Our Health Unit is a partnership with the Robert Wood Johnson foundation.

BETTY ANN BOWSER: Just weeks after being treated for blood clots in his legs, 72 year old Jerry Campbell was out biking in his Seattle neighborhood. He gives much credit for his rapid recovery to his medical provider: Group Health.

One of the reasons Campbell is a big fan of the Seattle-based HMO is because it's a cooperative. Its policies are determined by consumers like Campbell, who subscribe to a Group Health medical plan, either through their employer or on their own. Each policyholder can vote for the board of trustees at an annual meeting. And it is consumers who actually sit on the board.

JERRY CAMPBELL, board member, Group Health: What we do is monitor the policies that are set up, approve the policies that are set up. Here is how Group Health is going to operate. Here is the strategic plan. Here are the expectations. And then we monitor meeting those expectations on a monthly basis. What's the quality look like? Are we doing the things we need to do? How are we doing with our people?

BETTY ANN BOWSER: Recently, Group Health has gotten a lot of attention in the national health care reform debate, since lawmakers in the other Washington think a patient-governed health insurance company might be politically more viable than a government-run option.

DOCTOR: We will investigate that more and then we will be able to figure out why you're becoming more anemic.

BETTY ANN BOWSER: Although there is no specific plan of how such a national co-op would work, the idea is to create an organization where consumers review policies and can hire or fire the CEO. It's a concept that works well at Group Health, according to its CEO, Scott Armstrong.

SCOTT ARMSTRONG, chief executive officer, Group Health: The result is, as you can imagine, there's a kind of accountability that my management team and I feel to our patients, not to shareholders, not to purchasers, but to patients, which does define how Group Health prioritizes its investments.

NURSE: So, this is for your blood pressure. It's going to give your arm a little hug.

BETTY ANN BOWSER: Armstrong says it's that kind of consumer influence that actually leads to providing better care and ultimately healthier patients. But not everyone agrees co-ops are the answer. University of Washington public health professor Aaron Katz.
            
"An evidence-free idea"

AARON KATZ, University of Washington: I think this is an evidence-free idea. I don't think there's much evidence that the existence of co-ops in any market has transformed those markets just because of their existence. And there are so many ways that the health care insurance market is dysfunctional that just plopping down a new organization is not going to transform it in a way that will produce what we want, which is good, effective, efficient care for people when they need it.

BETTY ANN BOWSER: In fact, premiums for individuals and businesses are only incrementally lower at Group Health than other area insurance companies. And they have been rising rapidly, 13 percent last year alone.

Still, Group Health says it has been transforming the marketplace in ways that are not reflected in premium rates, by integrating health care delivery with prepayment of services.

That idea was so radical back in 1947, when Group Health was started, the medical establishment often called the organization "Group Death." Its doctors were considered communists, and weren't allow to practice at many area hospitals.

It's come a long way from those days. The not-for-profit now has 600,000 members and is the third largest health care provider in Washington State. In fact, one criticism of Group Health is that it's become so corporate, it's not much different than its privately-owned counterparts. But Group Health says it is unique because it combines insurance with the delivery of health care. And, although lawmakers haven't indicated that a national co-op would do that, CEO Armstrong says it should.
   
Doctor incentives

SCOTT ARMSTRONG: You need to have the insurance functions, the financing component of what we typically imagine health insurance to look like. But our view is that you have to connect that then to the care delivery system in order to create the reform, the alignment, the innovations in the care system.

DR. BARBARA DETERING, family practice physician: How are you today? Good?

BETTY ANN BOWSER: The reforms include hiring doctors as employees, and putting a strong emphasis on family practice medicine.

DR. BARBARA DETERING: As we get older, we actually need exercise more than we did when we were young.

BETTY ANN BOWSER: Barbara Detering has been a physician with Group Health for 18 years. She says, in a single day, she may only see six or seven patients in traditional office visits. But she will communicate with many more via e-mail and in lengthy phone calls.

DR. BARBARA DETERING: So, I got the message from Terri that you called in and you are not kind of emotionally feeling really good.

BETTY ANN BOWSER: And patients can always access their medical records online from home. She says that leads to healthier patients who are more actively involved in their own care.

DR. BARBARA DETERING: You know, I also get incentivized for good patient satisfaction scores. And if my patients feel like I'm rationing their care and not giving them what they need, I would get horrible scores, you know? So, we are incentivized to have good patient care from their perspective.

BETTY ANN BOWSER: So, in plain English, does that mean you get a bonus at the end of the year if your patients have good outcomes?

DR. BARBARA DETERING: Yes. I get -- I get a report once every three months. And I have a quality score and I have a patient satisfaction score. And they are able to take data out of our computer system about, are my diabetics getting the right care? Are my heart care patients? Are my pregnant patients getting prenatal care? Are my -- all my women getting their paps and their mammograms? We are able to come up with a good score of all that stuff. And, if I am above a certain threshold, I get a -- I get a bonus. It's not huge, but it's an incentive to do well.
   
Replicating on a national scale

BETTY ANN BOWSER: Even supporters of Group Health acknowledge the system wouldn't be easy or cheap to replicate on a national level. It has taken Group Health 60 years to be able to compete with large insurance companies, and startup costs for a national co-op are likely to cost taxpayers more than $6 billion.

Even once it was started, it's not clear whether it would actually bring medical prices down. Professor Katz says, Group Health hasn't brought down medical expenditures in Washington State.

AARON KATZ: We're ranked 19th among states. And, so, there are states that have no co-ops, like California, Texas, Arizona, that are doing better than we are. So, it's not -- I don't think it's clear at all that the presence of Group Health has led to a very efficient, very effective marketplace. This is not to take anything away from Group Health. I don't think that's the question. Really, the question we should be trying to answer is, if Group Health is so good, how come they haven't spread like wildfire around the country? And the fact is, they haven't.

WOMAN: Now, what we're going to do is, we're going to repeat your echocardiogram

BETTY ANN BOWSER: In spite of such reservations, health co-ops are still expected to be very much a part of the health care discussion when lawmakers return from their summer recess.

JIM LEHRER: We have extended excerpts of Betty Ann's interviews and an explainer of how a co-op actually works at NewsHour.PBS.org.
 
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*2000 US Senate hearings

*Verified statistics on "Dialysis Facility Compare"

*Doctors have to review charts before they can be reimbursed

*2000 and 2003 Office of Inspector General (OIG) reports on the conditions in dialysis

*2007 - Members of DialysisEthics worked for certification of hemodialysis
technicians in Colorado - bill passed

*1999 to present - nonviolent dismissed patients returned to their
clinics or placed in other clinics or hospitals over the years

 

Blog #4: A Glimpse of Hell

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Written by: Super User
Category: Blog
Published: 01 April 2023
Hits: 3073
  • Tag: BillionaireRedemptionOrNot Blog


Intro
Petition (and see our visit to DC and DC Press Conference + Rally)

!!!P.S. The following History and recent Children's stats linked to, need to be emphasized!!! Update: And it gets worse:  KIDS!!!!

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Sometime back I checked my email after a day of raiding the supply train to dialysis land [1] (it may not be coincidence diabetes and dialysis have the word "DIE" in them)  In my email was a message from a friend who had a link to this article. The article concerns Berkshire’s Mr. Munger and Mr. Buffett’s hear-no-evil, see-no-evil style of investing. My imagination started running wild and I got a glimpse of Hell, actually the basement of Hell!!  (I hear things are a bit cooler there than the main floor)  It was Hell for a couple of gentleman I've mentioned!  And what did I see in that basement of Hell!  I saw a window!  And above that window what did I see!  I saw a sign!  And what did that sign say!  "Customer Complaints"  (There might have to be a 2nd sign: "Please Do Not Throw Hot Coals at the Staff!")

And as I left Hell's basement what else did I see?  I saw quite a few people lining up at the Buffett-Munger booths.  The first person in line was a former kidney dialysis patient.  I didn't catch the whole of the conversation, but I did hear: "And then I died!" and "what are you going to do about it!!!".

[1] I often link to that diabetes thread from Reddit

Huh, maybe when Mr. Munger and Mr. Buffett were buying things they should have looked under the hood?

(after reading that Munger-Buffett-Berkshire article, I had to put back up the bad Dad humor shield because my blood was boiling)

#Real Hell:
Betty Allen's
Frank Brown's

Petition (and see our visit to DC and DC Press Conference + Rally)

'Save the Billionaires (or not)' Walk

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Written by: Super User
Category: Blog
Published: 30 March 2023
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Click to find out how Kent Thiry met John Oliver and friends

HQ for 'Save the Billionaires (or not)' Walk' updates+info
Petition
Intro

I'm a nice guy who doesn't believe in eternal damnation (that eternal is a long time!). I believe in the road to redemption for many people. And lately I've become concerned about a couple of our favorite billionaires: Warren Buffett (93 years of age) and Charlie Munger (deceased - but haunting Buffett).  I’m wondering if they should tie up some loose ends.

My concern started when I saw their Berkshire Hathaway company held a huge share of davita, the huge kidney dialysis company (40% last I looked - though only a tiny part of the Berkshire portfolio, less than 1% from what I understand) - I’ll give some background and then why I’ve worried.

I've been well acquainted with davita since the year 2000 when my daughter was in a dialysis clinic (transplant now). My experience with kidney dialysis peaked in 2007 when I helped head-up a group that got a bill for the certification of kidney dialysis techs passed (renewed in 2012 and 2019).

What surprised and concerned me about Berkshire being involved in davita was the fact I would think Berkshire would check out the "product" better. I can tell you what we've been seeing: just the numbers and John Oliver and friends. With davita less than 1% of the Berkshire portfolio I thought this must just be some sort of oversight! But then I became aware of this. Huh, besides a long line of former kidney dialysis patients waiting for Mr. Munger and Mr. Buffett in the hereafter there maybe others lined up behind the dialysis folks! It looks like they may have some explaining to do! (thank you Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz) I don't think their absentee-owner, denial-of-culpability act may play as well in the hereafter.

So how can we help these dear unfortunate souls who may have gone through a good portion of their lives with blinders on? I say we encourage Mr. Munger and Mr. Buffett to put the dialysis field of medicine back to the way it was! It was a group of many small clinics - the big for-profits have proven they can't handle too much power!

They have been guilty of:

- a lack of oversight

- using underpaid, under-trained, overworked staff (staff used to be mostly nurses vs. mostly techs now)

- shortening of treatments

- a multitude of scandals- among them having had the Highest Mortality Rate in the industrialized world! (again the numbers) And unique in medicine for having had rising mortality (2nd post) All for sky-rocketing prices!

So please sign this petition! It can be taken to the 2024 ‘Save the Billionaires’ Walk’ on May 4th and presented to Berkshire at their event. Feel free to show up at the Walk! Strike a blow to change this country back from “We the corporations of the United States” to “We the people of the United States”! For the 2023 event I had my one share of Berkshire (B) for entry, and I was treated like royalty!  I'm sure it will be the same in 2024!  (I did sell my one share as quick as I could after the event)

P.S. I can keep up a shield of 'bad Dad humor' for awhile.  For an idea of how I've really felt at times, you might read this.

#More Info
- HQ for 'Save the Billionaires Walk' updates+info
- BillionaireRedemptionOrNot Blog
- 2007 Colorado state bill pushed by a group headed up by this DE member for the certification of kidney dialysis technicians (renewed in 2012 and 2019)
!!!Announcement: another way to participate - just send an email!!!
!!!And still another way to participate - Another email!!!

Blog #3: Walk Plan

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Written by: Super User
Category: Blog
Published: 28 March 2023
Hits: 2708
  • Tag: BillionaireRedemptionOrNot Blog

Intro
Petition (and see our visit to DC and DC Press Conference + Rally)

!!!P.S. The following History and recent Children's stats linked to, need to be emphasized!!! Update: And it gets worse:  KIDS!!!!

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summary:
-10:00 -10:30 Music by 'Now and Forever'
-10:30 - ? speaking
-after speaking, Morning Walk to CHI Health Center
-4:30pm - 5pm Gathering again in front of the CHI Health Center (update 5/5: Gathering will be under the skywalk)
-6:00pm - 6:30pm thought prayer circles 

updated 04/24

For the latest updates visit HQ-Save-the-Billionaires-Walk-updates.  It will will have details like the date of the Walk (May 6th), starting time and location, ending location, etc...    

At the starting location after music by 'Now or Forever' and some speaking the walk will begin.  A limited amount of flyers will be available but a printable flyer is available and it would be helpful if you brought your own.  If a person chooses, they could take a ziggy-zaggy path to the CHI Health Center, placing flyers on cars and handing them out.  This sort of thing was done years ago before a DialysisEthics rally in Denver at a park and church.  Flyers were put on autos outside of dialysis clinics, no one was arrested.  And technically it was trespassing.  I hope the lack of arrests doesn't disappoint anyone.

4/24 update: Once the CHI Health center is reached, a new option has been added.  A person can print out the new 'Billionaires Information Packet' beforehand and try to give it to a person as far up the Berkshire chain-of-command as you can go!  (or just use a flyer)  If you can't get past the gate just hand it to the person holding you back, it is suggested not to cause a ruckus, it maybe more important to attend the 4:30pm to 5pm gathering below than cause a fuss.  I'm sure the packet will land on Mr. Buffett's or Mr. Munger's desk in no time! (sure)  But at least somebody might read it!

Otherwise a person can choose to enter without a packet - they should own at least one share of Berkshire.  Or they can ask about a guest pass? Otherwise go roam about the town!

4/24 update: At 4:30pm to 5pm a gathering will be formed in front of the main entrance of the CHI Health center.  People can bring flyers and signs.  The crowd should start coming out of the center.  People can choose to stay in the group with their signs or branch out with flyers and give them to the crowd - whatever a person is most comfortable with!

At 6pm to 6:30pm thought/prayer circles will be formed of a dozen or so people in front of the CHI Health Center.  Someone will be around with flags and someone from the circle can volunteer to lead the group, holding a flag.  The person who chooses to lead the group can stand in the center and call for a moment of silence, remembering all the dialysis patients, friends, and relatives who have passed on.  After the moment of silence, people can volunteer to tell why they are there, stories, maybe even a joke a loved one liked - or a funny story!  Over the more than twenty years of some of us advocating for dialysis patients we have found some times to laugh!

But if a person doesn't like doing the above - just take a walk, event starts at 10am.

This is the basic framework of the Walk and is subject to change and updates.  Check back at the HQ-Save-the-Billionaires-Walk-updates webpage for any changes or updates.  All we really want to do is help a couple of billionaires find the road to redemption by busting up the dialysis company DaVita.

Petition (and see our visit to DC and DC Press Conference + Rally)

Blog #2: Just a Song

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Written by: Super User
Category: Blog
Published: 27 March 2023
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  • Tag: BillionaireRedemptionOrNot Blog

Intro
Petition

!!!P.S. The following History and recent Children's stats linked to, need to be emphasized!!! Update: And it gets worse:  KIDS!!!!

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While the Berkshire fellows were building their castle of sunshine and lollipops, this is a song that was screaming in my brain while I was looking at their castle foundation - and my daughter was in a dialysis clinic: Head Like a Hole

quote: "God money, let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised!"
(Party on Thiry)

Also when I was outside a courtroom for the trial of former CEO Kent Thiry after throwing questions at him figuratively and literally he said something to the effect he "was sorry about the way I felt".  My reply was "I bet you do".  For those capable of emotions besides self-pity (unlike him), the above song is a little of how I was feeling back in the day. 

Anyway while I was sitting in the courtroom listening to the lawyers going back and forth, I did hear Thiry's concern that a jury would be biased against him because he was rich!  So I guess the little rich boy who never had to grow up is capable of one emotion, self-pity.

I'll say it was quite a display at that courtroom!  His big, bad, brave lawyers stopped me from throwing papers at him, saving their poor poor client from a paper cut!

quote:
No, you can't take her
No, you can't take her
No, you can't take her away from me

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  1. Blog #1: Intro
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  3. ***Introduction***
  4. ***Get the lowdown on your clinic!***

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